Had 2 ComradeF tunes come up in a row as iTunes shuffled through my music, so I thought I’d see what’s new at your site. I was saddened to read “Cheers!” (There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.) That’s a big probably, where eternity is concerned. As for worrying, Paul said, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.” Christians give their cares to God and he gives us peace of mind. Sounds like a deal. I would say that overall true followers of Christ spend a lot less time worrying than atheists.
I’d argue they don’t. That’s one fewer thing on my mind. =)
7:13 AM Wednesday October 29, 2008
Yes, one less thing on my mind and i don’t have to worry about all tis silly sinning stuff. Religion is too often used as a justification and legit reason for things, we don’t need it around anymore. The world is moving forward; will the beliefs of the past be able to keep up?
We’re not out of the woods yet. Human culture has a lot of maturing to do before the type of revolution we’re wishing for comes about. It’s sprouted, and now it needs to be nurtured… for a LONG time.
1:31 PM Thursday October 30, 2008
I’m curious about the nature of the revolution you mentioned. Atheistic revolutions don’t have a good track record: Hitler/Mussolini/Japan – 50-70 million dead; Stalin – 20 million dead; Mao Zedong – 30+ million dead; Pol Pot 1.3 million dead. I would guess that’s because human culture left to itself, try as it will, can’t seem to get that “silly sinning stuff” (murder, theft, coveting, etc.) out of its system.
Those numbers have nothing to do with atheism and everything to do with totalitarian regimes run by dictators and are thus fully irrelevant. Government and religion are and should be unrelated, so don’t confuse the two. Religion is an outdated method for controlling people when conventional methods don’t work, when people don’t feel compelled to behave without some “greater” threat or reward hanging in the balance for them. The majority of people on this planet today are so completely unprepared for what I’d like. My hope is that someday, humanity transcends this situation. In the meantime, people like me get to deal with modern-day crusades waged for things I couldn’t care less about. My life is more dangerous as a result of this battle of faiths. What a waste.
And in the end, when someone like me smiles and says that I simply want nothing to do with any of this junk, that I wish to be left alone, that I applaud other people who say “let’s eliminate this source of war and disagreement”… we get yelled at for it. Why does anyone want this anymore? Why purposefully persist? Goodness.
Morality comes down to the individual. Godless people can be just as moral as, or more moral than, everyone else. This is proof that religion has become obsolete for one of its primary functions: law. Now, as for the faith component? I have no faith and I feel great. A lot of other people seem to get frightened and weak if their faith is threatened. Since I don’t have that problem, I really can’t speak to that argument. I simply don’t understand it. Faith is just one of those things whose necessity I hope will fizzle out as we progress. I’m not trying to be a buzz-kill, I’m just saying I hope it becomes superfluous as we recognize the finer things in life. I see that as a good thing. Imagine our world with one fewer source of conflict!
4:01 PM Thursday October 30, 2008
I don’t know anyone who seriously believes that those totalitarian regimes were not built on godless philosophies. Based on those philosophies, those dictators devised methods (quite deadly ones) for controlling people because they concluded religion didn’t work. Without God people are left with trying to devise their own methods of taming human nature so that they can eradicate all of the ills of the world. If you look at the history of human carnage over the course of thousands of years, one can’t help but conclude that that’s a naive approach.
The only naïveté here is assuming that No God = No Morality. It’s actually a bit insulting. Shall we list all the rest of the totalitarian regimes that DO employ religion? They’re usually called THEOCRACIES and they’re no better! In fact, there’s a little one called Iran that’s building nuclear weapons to attack Israel, which it hates because of… you guessed it, religion. That’s sad. That shouldn’t be a source of conflict. See it through the eyes of an agnostic for a moment: “My imaginary elephant is better than yours! Nuh-uh! Fine then, bombs away! We’ll see whose elephant is better, now!” And I’m left wondering why people had to die over an imaginary elephant?
4:40 PM Thursday October 30, 2008
Sorry, I don’t mean to insult. A lot of people find insults hurtful, so I try not to do it. That’s a moral judgment based on the standard of God’s Word, which says you should treat others in the same way you want to be treated. It seems clear to me that you have to have an absolute standard on which to construct morals. If there is no God, then obviously there is no absolute standard and people are simply left to design “morals” according to their own preferences. Some people prefer to insult other people and take great pleasure in it. So when one person’s moral preferences conflict with someone else’s preferences, you’ve got a problem. Whose morals are the right morals? Without an absolute standard, it’s impossible to say. No wonder Nietzsche said, “If God is dead, then nothing more remains to which man can cling and by which he can orient himself.”
I understand what you’re saying about religion causing conflict, even wars, in this world, though I think Iran and other Arab nations’ stand toward Israel is more geo-political than religious. I think those countries might even tolerate Israel if that nation would ditch its policy of apartheid toward the Palestinians, let them have their own nation, and move the borders back to what they were pre-1967, but that’s just my opinion. I agree with you that nations have conflicts over some pretty stupid issues. Some are religion based. Some are based on the godless philosophies I mentioned earlier. I see human nature as the overriding source of conflict, which man has clearly demonstrated he’s incapable of controlling on his own without God. That’s what all of history teaches us: man is incapable of ruling himself without God.
Yes, people will even slaughter others in the name of religion, but true followers of Christ, the one who said, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” will not. The apostle James pretty much summed it up when he said, “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? You want something but don’t get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God.”
We’ll just have to disagree, then. I believe it’s a terribly grim outlook on humankind to think that forever and ever we’ll be stuck in the Middle Ages, unable to govern ourselves without the fear of divine retribution from something that MAY exist… something you had to be told is there because even with all the perception and tools in the world, you couldn’t observe it for yourself. Religion adds impurities to faith. They’re all essentially “about” the same core things, and yet we splinter and fracture over HOW it’s supposed to be done. Ridiculous, wasteful.
When I talk about our species moving forward, I didn’t say it’d be overnight. It’ll take hundreds, thousands of years. Why? Because people LIKE religion. I’m fully aware of that. I’d love for us to be able to stop liking it, stop feeling the need for it. I view discarding it as something of a new Renaissance to look forward to. I assume that once we reach that point, we’ll have realized we don’t need it anymore because a lot of the things that it “solves” will be taken care of through other means. With them off the plate, all that’s left is “Why are we doing this silly stuff?” I know, I know — it’s not silly, etc. OK. It is to ME.
7:51 AM Friday October 31, 2008
Well, thanks for your time. It’s profitable for me to have dialogue every now and then with someone who totally disagrees with my worldview — and hope it was for you, too. Thanks also for making your music available. You have a talent there.
No worries. To be honest, I’m surprised anyone comes by here or listens to my music anymore. It’s been over a year now! Ah well. And this is now officially the longest string of comments I’ve ever had in my blog, hah!